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If you ever get into the content business, whether it’s online, in print, or in TV, you’ll realize something very quickly: one of the easiest ways to generate material is to look at new products. This series differs from the standard GP100’s in that they have features that gear them for competition shooting. I have read the Terms of Use, Privacy Policy, and Cookie Policy, and I hereby agree to those terms. There was a significant difference between the two revolvers in terms of handling and felt recoil. Let's find out as we shoot the Glock 40mos vs. the Ruger 6" GP100 with With products made in America, Ruger offers consumers almost 800 variations of more than 40 product lines. I recently had the good fortune to receive a new ammunition line from CCI called Clean-22. One of the gun magazines back in the 1980's did a pretty thorough side by side comparison between the 686 and Python. Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Glock Novice, Jun 8, 2012. Jan 27, 2014 Butler, Mo. I’m sure some of you are frowning because you love your finger-groove grips, but these are ill-suited for shooting a revolver quickly. I used some excellent 10mm ammunition for my testing, with loads from Buffalo Bore, Federal, Sig Sauer and Speer. All of this results in an exceptionally smooth trigger pull. Ruger GP100 vs. Ruger 8-shot .357 Redhawk. The 686 won. One of the 2.5-inch or 3-inch GP100 models in .357 Magnum or .44 Special could be carried daily, even concealed if you had the right holster. This gun is an all-day-shooter with anything you care to load into it. The S&W is larger and heavier, making it more suitable for outdoor carry and a better choice for higher-pressure loads. The S&W 610 offered a very smooth but heavy trigger pull. The Speer Gold Dot boasts the company’s Uni-Cor bonding process, which prevents jacket-core separation. These blued Blackhawks featured 6.5” barrels and now command big premiums on the used market. A well-designed crown is crucial not just for providing accurate fire, but for maintaining it. The HST load averaged 1,119 fps from the two revolvers, giving it a slight edge in velocity and energy over the Gold Dot’s 1,038-fps average. With Colt no longer manufacturing new double-action revolvers, shooters who want quality revolvers must choose between Smith and Ruger. The only aspect of the GP100 Match Champ that doesn’t surpass Smith’s wheel guns is finish on both the surface and edge. At this time, Double Tap Ammunition is the only source to my knowledge of factory 10mm Magnum ammo, and the load I had available uses a 135 grain Jacketed Hollowpoint (JHP) bullet. Based on its overall build and appearance, the 610 excels as an outdoorsman’s gun. This new GP proudly wears its name. Lock-up is tight, trigger DA is smooth on this example. I have since learned it was most likely caused by cheap ammo. The thick, monolithic frame precludes the need for a sideplate, and the gun is highly regarded for its strength. With the 10mm’s uptick in popularity, both Federal and Speer have recently introduced premium 200-grain defensive loads. The Ruger GP100 10mm 3″ is a TALO Distributor Exclusive and … But a less common thread that’s been gaining a little bit of traction lately is using the 10mm in revolvers. Most noticeable is the attractive, one-piece grip. To pack the Lipsey’s GP100 10mm on my belt, I had Rob Leahy at Simply Rugged Holsters make me one of his Sourdough Pancake holsters. This translates to nearly 100-percent weight retention for optimal performance. In the S&W, Sig’s 180-grain FMJs felt like +P .38 Specials fired from a Model 686. Both the SP101 and the GP100 are great handheld revolvers with small size for concealed carrying purpose to protect yourself. Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. is one of the nation's leading manufacturers of rugged, reliable firearms for the commercial sporting market. A quick question for the wheelgun gurus: While the Smith & Wesson Model 610 and Ruger GP100 Match Champion are similar, they’re quite different 10mm revolvers. Although the stainless-steel revolver features the Ruger family brushed satin finish, it’s a working gun look, without much fine polish. When I first learned of the 10mm GP100 Match Champion, I incorrectly assumed it would only carry five rounds, so that was a nice bonus. Both .44s have six-groove rifling with 1-in-20 right-hand twist. Thankfully, Ruger has adorned its new wheel gun with an industry-standard 11-degree target crown to protect the muzzle and aid in accuracy. Nov 17, 2020 #1 . Other appointments included a serrations on the hammer spur and topstrap as well as a fully adjustable rear sight with a white outline. Meaning, no barrel will be accurate enough to compensate for a shooter wrestling with uncomfortable grips. The GP100 Match Champion ships with stippled wooden Hogue grips, absent any form of finger-groove. The Ruger GP-100 Match Champion, in .357 Magnum. Is that True? With 180 grain FMJ the recoil is easier to manage than polymer .40s. I ordered some Ranch Products clips and they work great for 10mm or 40. The Ruger GP100 is the epitome of the classic cop style revolver of yesteryear. On the other hand, when I stepped up to the 220-grain hard-cast rounds from Buffalo Bore, I definitely appreciated the 610’s extra-comfy synthetic grip. For more than 70 years, Ruger has been a model of corporate and community responsibility. To pack the Lipsey’s GP100 10mm on my belt, I had Rob Leahy at Simply Rugged Holsters make me one of his Sourdough Pancake holsters. Performance. Grab your copy at OutdoorGroupStore.com. In fact, no high-level competitive revolver shooter uses anything but grooveless grips. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Love the blue finish on this model. The ergonomics aren’t as buttery smooth as a custom-shop Smith, but they’re on par with its mid-level offerings like the 686 for about hundred bucks less. The front sight is a serrated, ramped blade that is pinned in place, so it’s interchangeable. These guns aren’t mantelpieces, they’re over-built tools. (VIDEO). Ruger Blackhawk vs. GP100 reliability. However, that’s not a negative because I really liked the ease of access and operation that came with the wider hammer spur. Of these two loads, the Ruger shot the best single group of 1.5 inches at 25 yards with the Gold Dots, though that was a bit of a fluke on my part. Like new, shot to sight in only 20-30 rounds. The N-Frame even absorbed the recoil from the stiffer defensive loads. The hand-filling rubber grip is extremely comfortable, though it adds some bulk, and it will hold up to the elements and cold weather quite nicely. In this instance, the L frame of the 686 denotes a medium-large frame, and is typical of modern, fullsize .357 Magnum offerings from Smith & Wesson. The Ruger’s average group with the Speer load was about 2.45 inches. With products made in America, Ruger offers consumers almost 800 variations of more than 40 product lines. The Ruger GP100 .44 Special is a sizable, powerful-looking gun. I bought one of the CDNN Ruger GP100 10mm MC and it's a great shooter. I had some issues with the 40 primers. However, the lighter Ruger was nimbler and easier to get on target than the bulkier S&W. Despite the 10mm’s reputation for power, the Ruger GP100 Match Champion is all about speed. I found the Match Champ to be extremely accurate with .357 Magnum loads ranging from 130 to 180 grain, and slightly less so with all but the heaviest .38 Special rounds. The S&W is larger and heavier, making it more suitable for outdoor carry and a better choice for higher-pressure loads. ruger a bit heavier, and cheaper but a little more difficut to clean, but cheaper. Nearly. As you would expect, the larger mass of the S&W definitely tamed the recoil much better than the Ruger. The Champion’s new Hogue grips are handsome and functional. 80. The Match Champion’s new grip does much to address this, but isn’t quite up to snuff with Performance Center Smith & Wesson’s. In the meantime I will refrain from shooting .40 S&W in the 10mm GP100 and be content with using standard 10mm ammo, most of which is loaded near .40 S&W levels anyhow. Being an owner of all three guns this blows my mind, the gp100 is a fantastic gun but I'd say the SW is solidly better in every way. It’s located just behind the cylinder release, and two matching keys are included. The gun that is at the center of this review is the Match Champion version which Ruger offers in either.357 Magnum or 10mm Auto. The engineers assured me that the Match Champion differs from standard GP100s internally and that Ruger polishes every bearing surface to provide the shooter with a much more pleasant trigger-pull. Ruger GP100 vs S&W 686. The 10mm holds 6 rounds and comes in lighter than other Match Champions, due to larger chambers. Stock grip does soak up the recoil. With moon clips, they’re faster to load than a standard revolver, and both deliver a powerful payload suitable for a variety of predators from city to field. Although at hundreds less, this may not be important to you. smith vs ruger. After spending time with both, I’m starting to understand the allure to a degree. Finishing off the package is a slim, contoured Hogue hardwood grip that is very comfortable and ideal for concealed carry. I chose five different 10mm loads and one .40 S&W load for this test, with bullet weights ranging from 122 to 230 grains. While some people may have opinions on why the M1911 isn’t an ideal carry choice, I’m going to explain why this is the best option for me. From the Ruger instruction manual: “The 10MM GP100® will function, and has been tested, with 40 S&W caliber ammunition, but may misfire (fail to fire) with some commercial ammunition. The GP100’s bright fiber-optic front sight also helped with fast, accurate shots. During the Ruger GP100 10mm Match Champion review, I discovered where the gun shines – as a competition gun. There’s a dedicated and vocal group of shooters running loose in the wild that enjoy rocking the powerful semi-auto cartridge through old-school six-shooters. Since then there have been numerous attempts to do the same with GP-100 vs 686. If you scan magazines and the Internet about the 10mm Auto cartridge and its place in firearms history, you’ll inevitably see references to Jeff Cooper’s role in developing the round as well as the iconic Bren Ten, which was featured in “Miami Vice.” You’ll also see copious mentions of the 1986 FBI shootout in Miami and how that led to the bureau briefly adopting the cartridge for its service pistol. The 610 utilizes S&W’s large, beefy N-frame, most notable for hosting larger cartridges like the .44 Magnum and .45 Colt. Gun Review: Going the Distance with the Kimber Rapide Black Ice 10mm. Conversely, the Ruger is sleek and responsive with its tuned action, high-visibility sights and smaller profile, so it’s ideal for match use and even concealed carry. Ruger GP100. The frame, cylinder release, sideplate, and crane arrangement are unmistakably S&W. Each revolver ships with three moon clips for easier loading and unloading (and you’ll really need to use them for .40 S&W rounds). I’ve always heard great things about old Colt revolvers, and let’s just say this gun made me think twice about my stance on revolvers. The 686 is mostly a refinement of the S&W’s iconic revolver pedigree, established with their K/L frame revolvers. This new factory-tuned GP100 is just that, a tuned GP100. This Match champion is king of Ruger’s DA six-guns and like any royalty, needs a crown. Grips easy to change to smaller for carry or wood for a different look. For purposes of clarity, I consent to Athlon's collection, storage, processing, and transfer of my Personal Data and Non-Personal Data (as defined in the Privacy Policy) for the purpose of signing up for the email newsletter. That’s not to say that shooting most of the 10mm rounds from the Ruger was unpleasant, but the recoil was sharper, and I could feel it more at the top of the backstrap. The Match Champion is superior in nearly all regards to Smith & Wesson revolvers in the same price point, save for appearance. In response to those fanatics—er, um, I mean fans—Smith & Wesson and Ruger recently introduced wheelguns that should satisfy even the most hardcore of aficionados. Whether it was me or the ammunition, the S&W seemed to prefer the HST offering with an average of 2.85 inches, although another shooter could deliver different results. I have been carrying a Kimber M1911 concealed for about 25 years. Ruger’s GP100 in 10mm auto could legitimately fall into all three categories, but probably skews toward the latter for most people. While the 10mm is a semi-automatic pistol cartridge, shooters have clamored for revolvers in the same chambering. ruger also makes a 7 shot gp100 but in 327 magnum not 357. unless there is a gun i really want i kind of let the price decide which one i get. Joined: Aug 22, 2010 Messages: 25. This is due to the revolver’s triple-locking system, where the cylinder is locked at the front, rear and bottom. It has a six-round capacity and ships with three moon clips. Users who manage to damage their Ruger frames should count their lucky stars, the kind of abuse required to cause a catastrophic failure on a GP100 is enough to cause fragmentation on their competitor’s designs. The GP100 Match Champion follows last fall’s release of the Super Redhawk in 10mm. While the barrel is the most important mechanical aspect of a revolver, the shooter is the most important biological aspect. The Match Champion comes with a 4.2-inch barrel, and upgrades for this specific model include an 11-degree target crown for accuracy, a fiber-optic front sight and a weight-saving half-underlug. The muzzle of a weapon also provides equal, concentric force to the backpressure of a round as it leaves that muzzle. The revolver also incorporates a white-outlined rear sight that is adjustable for elevation and windage. As you would expect, the larger mass of the S&W definitely tamed the recoil much better than the Ruger. The new Ruger GP100 Match King chambered in 10 mm is one of those best-of revolvers that the company's customers have been waiting for, including me! The folks at Ruger, having seen unparalleled growth in recent years, have decided to give Ruger enthusiasts and target-shooters on a budget an affordable, tank-like match-grade DA revolver. As a tremendous proponent of Novak sights, this is a welcome addition, though I initially had my reservations about cutting into the top-strap of the revolver so aggressively. How a 80's Colt King Cobra Changed My Mind on Revolvers. If you’re thinking of buying the new Ruger for use with .40 ammo, you might hold off until a workable solution is in. The new 200-grain HST load was designed for optimum penetration and expansion without plugging up while passing through intermediate barriers. Once the muzzle of a weapon is damaged — provided it is rifled — the accuracy will suffer tremendously. The decision is fairly simple. It’s an excellent balance between heat absorption and weight. Additionally, the checkered hammer spur and smooth trigger shoe are a bit more utilitarian in that they are both wider than those found on the test Ruger. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! For this reason, Ruger does not recommend the use of 40 S&W ammunition in this revolver.” But again, I’m hijacking your thread. I contacted Michael Smith, a Ruger engineering project leader familiar with the design, who admitted that he shared my concerns, initially. And because of its smaller grip circumference, I was able to wrap my hand around it more completely for better control. August 26, 2017. According to my digital gauge, the SA pull on my test gun was extra-crisp with a hair of pre-travel, a 3.75-pound break and no overtravel. It's smaller, it's lighter, and you'll have an easier time packing it every day, even with a Ruger SP101 IWB holster. I’m not sure how that works, but that guy must be getting a lot of overtime! Which begs the question, why would a new shooter choose something like the Match Champion over a Smith & Wesson revolver at a similar price point? The outer finish on all Ruger guns is somewhat rough, but very functional. This article is from the September-October 2020 issue of Combat Handguns magazine. Geordie Pickard. To the delight of many, Smith & Wesson reintroduced the venerable Model 610 in 2019 at the behest of consumers. For more than 70 years, Ruger has been a model of corporate and community responsibility. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. The Speer Gold Dot boasts the company’s Uni-Cor bonding process, which prevents jacket-core separation. Originally built for the .357 Magnum, the GP100 incorporates a medium-sized stainless steel frame and barrel that are relatively light, with the entire gun coming in at 37 ounces. The shortcomings of the design are still there, but they’ve been marginalized. (Photo by Jim Grant). For the get-to-know-you phase, I mainly shot Sig’s 180-grain FMJs, which worked perfectly in both guns and was quite accurate as well. FS or TD-Ruger GP100 Match Champion 10MM Discussion in 'F/S Firearms & ammo' started by Longhunter1750, Nov 17, 2020. We spent six months and turned the corner of the recommend break-in round count on the striking Kimber Rapide Black Ice in 10mm Auto and have some things to report. With a non-concentric crown, rounds will fly off target from the muzzle, eventually making it impossible to zero the firearm. If you look closely, you’ll also find that Ruger has lightly chamfered the cylinder holes for reloading ease. Lipsey’s added a fourth walnut gripped, blue Ruger GP100 in September of 2018. As always, the Buffalo Bore rounds were extremely consistent and accurate, allowing me to shoot a 2.25-inch five-shot group off-hand at 20 yards. the Match Champion takes that durability and makes it more accurate and ergonomic. The 686 first debuted in the 1980’s alongside the Model 581, 586 and 681.Since then, th… Stay in the know. Nevertheless, after numerous computer simulations and tens of thousands of test rounds, the GP100 showed no signs of undue frame degradation, Smith explained. Let’s get to it and take a closer look at the GP100 family. And it’s now available in the hard-hitting 10MM semi-auto round. Not that you couldn't carry a GP100. What more could you ask for? In the past, shooters who wanted an heirloom piece or a real tack-driver would have to spend nearly double the price of a Ruger, on a Smith. Longhunter1750 Active Member. (Photo by Jim Grant). It’s also fairly easy to carry and conceal while still boasting a hell-for-stout build quality. The gun is the optimized version of the company’s popular double-action line. All-American, all-steel alright! The Ruger GP100 comes equipped with a 4.2 inch, slab-sided bull barrel. 100 It sports stippling to ensure a reliable grip, but unlike rubber grips, it won’t catch or hang on clothing during the draw. Taking two of the more popular brands in the market, we put the S&W Model 610 and Ruger GP100 Match Champion in a 10mm revolver battle. Get Guns.com offers and news, Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 ©2019 Guns.com. 7 years ago. (Photo by Jim Grant). When it comes to accuracy, a revolver’s barrel is the foundation of performance. Despite being three ounces lighter than the SR1911 (37 ounces vs. 40 ounces) recoil in the 10mm GP100 is much tamer. With the Ruger’s smaller frame, those rounds felt pretty dang stout! Back in the 1980’s Ruger made a run of 10mm / 38-40 convertibles for Buckeye Sports. Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. is one of the nation's leading manufacturers of rugged, reliable firearms for the commercial sporting market. For nearly half a century, few revolvers have earned the mystique as the Colt... by William Bell / Ruger’s GP-100 revolver is a beefy magnum pistol that brings some unique capabilities to the table. With the Match Champion Ruger dressed to the nines, in terms of features, does it finally dethrone Smith & Wesson as the king of revolvers? But that’s the beautiful thing about guns and shooting: You don’t have to need something to want it. Shooting 10mm and 40 cal. The offering is another quality product from CCI, who already create some of the best .22 LR ammo around. The Ruger GP100 3″ weighs in at 36 oz., and is 8.5″ long. While Ruger revolvers have always played second fiddle to Smith & Wesson’s models, the new Match Champion seeks to upset this balance and does a hell of a job. Ruger GP100 357 Magnum. The GP100, being on par with the 686 and arguably superior to the Model 64, outclasses any DA .357 revolver Smith, Colt Taurus or any other mainstream manufacturer currently makes in terms of frame strength. Because of the medium frame size, I was a little surprised when I saw the six chambers in the cylinder. Each delivers impressive accuracy and superb reliability while offering best-in-class quality. ... Ruger GP100 Match Champion 10mm … It’s well executed, with no rough edges or gross tool marks. Performance. The Match Champion sports a Novak low-profile triangular rear sight and a green fiber-optic front sight — a solid balance between speed and precision. 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(Photo by Jim Grant). Other refinements include a match-tuned and polished action with a centering boss on the trigger and hammer shims. Certainly every edge of the GP100 is chamfered, but not quite to the same degree as Smith’s revolvers. Furthermore, the slabside cut brings the point of balance closer to the shooter’s hand to reduce fatigue during extended firing sessions. This durability translates into weight, but the Match Champion isn’t a carry gun so this weight can be considered beneficial because it soaks up recoil. maythe4thbewithu on Ruger GP100. In other words, the gun’s heavy barrel will eep groups more consistent during repeated firing, since it takes longer to heat up. Despite appearances, the top strap’s strength isn’t compromised. I chose five different 10mm loads and one .40 S&W load for this test, with bullet weights ranging from 122 to 230 grains. CCI Clean Offers a Mess Free Solution in .22 LR. Smith & Wesson Model 52: A Quick Look at the Forgotten .38 Special Pistol. Let me tell you, that is a blast. The frame, cylinder release, sideplate, and crane arrangement are unmistakably S&W. Blue GP100 4.2 inch barrel - solid. That said, I did enjoy shooting both guns once I got to the range. All Rights Reserved, Is the Ruger GP100 Match Champion better than a Smith & Wesson? Hey, who am I to judge? My personal favorite are Pachmayr Presentation grips, which, ironically enough, are as ugly as sin, but extremely functional. When it comes to accuracy, a revolver’s barrel is the foundation of performance. According to Speer, the process applies it one molecule at a time. (Photo by Jim Grant). Alaskan Ballistics - Everyone says 10mm and .357 Magnum are equal. Mostly composed of stainless steel, the 4-inch-barreled 610, with its full underlug and round-butt profile, tipped the scales at a hefty 42.6 ounces unloaded, while the 6.5-inch-barreled version weighs in at a hair over 50 ounces. 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